That is FiAFs MT-476 during summer of 1944.
Plane lasted heavy combat just 5 days. Therefore it is not dirty.
What does that photo possibly make you think ?
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That is FiAFs MT-476 during summer of 1944.
Plane lasted heavy combat just 5 days. Therefore it is not dirty.
What does that photo possibly make you think ?Last edited by Jukka; 06-29-2020, 02:03 AM. -
Re: Pic of a a Messerschmitt 109 G-6 !
As this seems to go nowhere this thread....and I know it is not air racing.
Then this pic is..MT-508 was converted into an air racer in 1950.
How good an air racer it could have been in Reno races...Bronze race contender ???Last edited by Jukka; 07-01-2020, 10:27 PM. -
Re: Pic of a a Messerschmitt 109 G-6 !
Certainly no expert but I'd wager that she'd be Bronze. She'll cruise around 320mph. Likely little faster at RTS. Do a little wood-butchering and engine mods and she'd like do pretty well there.Originally posted by Jukka View PostComment
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Re: Pic of a a Messerschmitt 109 G-6 !
I figure factory new Me-109 G-6 went 400 mph ?Originally posted by Air Boss View Post
At sea level maybe 320 mph ?
But you may be right...I recall our ace Hand Wind used to say it was full on lumbs and bumps...because of many after fittings on it...all these made it very unclean in aerodynamical sense. Many say the F-model was the cleanest.
The K-model seemed to come out cleaner, but was massively heavier.
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Yes the Me-109 K-14 had smoothened cowling bumbs...and retracted tail wheel and 4 blader prop...went 20 mph faster than G-10 model.
350 more horses too.Last edited by Jukka; 07-02-2020, 09:55 AM.Comment
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Re: Pic of a a Messerschmitt 109 G-6 !
I could be wrong but I believe those speeds were at altitude, not sea level. Reno is @ 5050'MSL so I'd expect higher speeds to come degree but not sure we'd see 400mph without mods.Originally posted by Jukka View Post
Again...I'll stand to be corrected as there are multiple folks on here who know a heck of a lot more than I do about this!
Good find, BTW.Comment
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Re: Pic of a a Messerschmitt 109 G-6 !
Yes, but only at high altitude (~20.000ft).
Talking about Messerschmitts, this G10 is based in Northern Germany and flies regularly (Heringsdorf, Usedom island).
Best regards,
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Re: Pic of a a Messerschmitt 109 G-6 !
There is an active thread in the aircraft designer section on a 109 I sketched up including a list of mods.
109 is a small airplane. Not much room for spray bar and ADI fluids.Comment
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Re: Pic of a a Messerschmitt 109 G-6 !
Yes and it does not have laminar flow wing foil....but it seems to have 8 liters bigger engine than a Merlin ?Originally posted by CubersWrist View PostComment
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Re: Pic of a a Messerschmitt 109 G-6 !
a little correction:
some german book/magazine articles are saying, that latest 109 K-4 model was able to do 453 mph @ 19700 ft
(with MAP 1,98 ata, ADI and 100-octane fuel = ca. 2000 hp); weight wasn't very much higher than G-10 model, ca. 5300 lb empty (only because of fully closed gear doors and retractable tail wheel).
DB 605 ASC engine surely has potential for further tuning, but at low altitude in above condition (no spraybar etc.) I think it could be a contender for stock P-51
GibbsLast edited by Gibbs; 07-03-2020, 10:26 AM.Comment
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Re: Pic of a a Messerschmitt 109 G-6 !
It would be pretty interesting if someone tuned the 109 K to go 500+ mph.Originally posted by Gibbs View PostComment
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Re: Pic of a a Messerschmitt 109 G-6 !
Hmm.... 500+ mph?
As well known, for this you need a lot of aero mods and completely new cooling system.
From what I understand a top level Merlin is doing 3400 rpm and around 140 inch MAP = ca. 3600 hp?
No idea where the peak on larger (35.7 litres) DB 605 could be (as mentioned variant ASC, stock: 2800 rpm and around 60 inch MAP).
Isn't Mike Nixon member of this board? Would be great to see little expertise from him
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Re: Pic of a a Messerschmitt 109 G-6 !
What is wrong with the present cooling system at high speeds ?Originally posted by Gibbs View PostHmm.... 500+ mph?
As well known, for this you need a lot of aero mods and completely new cooling system.
From what I understand a top level Merlin is doing 3400 rpm and around 140 inch MAP = ca. 3600 hp?
No idea where the peak on larger (35.7 litres) DB 605 could be (as mentioned variant ASC, stock: 2800 rpm and around 60 inch MAP).
Isn't Mike Nixon member of this board? Would be great to see little expertise from him
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Re: Pic of a a Messerschmitt 109 G-6 !
Every super unlimited has needed a super modified cooling system. Dago-Strega-Voodoo, Bear, 232, DreadnoughtOriginally posted by Jukka View Post
The thing that hurts the 109 is no room for spray bar and ADI tanks.Comment
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