Miss America history 1958-1969 ?

[Jan]

Hi racefans,

does anybody have more informations about Miss A´s history from
the time before Howie Keefe bought her ?

All I could find was:

http://www.mustangsmustangs.net/p-51/survivors/pages/44-74536.shtml

and

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/registry/p51registry/p51-4474536.html

Maybe somebody remembers, what M. Parker (TX), Donald G. Singleton
(Van Nuys, CA), David S. Allender Jr (San Aario, CA) and Robert N.
Cleaves did with the plane.

Maybe someone could add/send pictures of 44-74536 from the time
before she got her beautiful paint in the late sixties ?

Was the registration N5452V used for 2 different Mustangs, both in the
hands of Dave Allender ?
(See: http://www.mustangsmustangs.net/p-51...44-63675.shtml)

Was the first civil owner related to Alvin Parker (also Texas), who
did the first 1000-km-flight in a glider ?
(See:http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero.../arlington.htm)

Jan

http://www.airrace.de

[Unregistered]

Re: Miss America history 1958-1969 ?

Jan !

Leonard Niemi was an unknown pilot/engineer to me. Thanks for the last link. Miss America looks always awesome !

Juke T / Finland

PS: I will start work on monday in a new job. Hopefylly I'll fly soon too.

[Section3guy]

Re: Miss America history 1958-1969 ?

ok i read this some were my dats are most likelly off
but here goes...i beleve that miss A was bought from Mc Cellen afb in sacramento Ca. in 1958....thats all i remeber (i use to live a few blocks from there when i read it)
Ok please some one correct me

https://www.renosection3.com

[Randy Haskin]

Re: Miss America history 1958-1969 ?

This sounds like a question for Dick Phillips over at mustangsmustangs.com.

[Jan]

Re: Miss America history 1958-1969 ?

Hi Randy,

hmm... follow the links in the opener of this thread.
I tought, if he had more info, it would be posted on
mustangmustangs.com. Warbirdresourcegroup.org
has even more info, but it´s still not much...
They say Miss A was sold at McClellan (Sacramento)
and name some civil owners. But still not much precise
info for a decade in the life of a legendary Mustang.

Any historicans / oldtimers out there ?

Jan

[Randy Haskin]

Re: Miss America history 1958-1969 ?

I was more suggesting to take the question to the mm.net message board (or the WIX board), where people like Dick Phillips read and answer questions of this type.

[Jan]

Re: Miss America history 1958-1969 ?

Thanks Randy,

o.k. - now I understand.
Good suggestion.
I´ll do that

Jan

[Jan]

Re: Miss America history 1958-1969 ?

Thanks Randy,

o.k. - now I understand.
Good suggestion.
I´ll do that

Jan

[Pylon1_Mark]

Re: Miss America history 1958-1969 ?

Maybe this will help



Info credit: Gary Williams

A picture of race #19 "Allender Mustang" appear in the book "Unlimited Air Racers" - by Don Berliner - Motorbooks International - pg. 35 (photo credit Jim Larsen)

[wolfee]

Re: Miss America history 1958-1969 ?

WOW....$3,700.00 dollars! then 2 years later $6,000.00.

Jump 9 years and it jumps to $25,000.00 !!! Then another 1q years later $200,000.00!!!! Now that is apperication for you.

I notice the price DR. Hisey paid isnt listed... Probibly a good thing to. Cuz I would be waving this around about now.

If we all would have only known then, what we know now. Oh the possibilities.

[wolfee]

Re: Miss America history 1958-1969 ?

WOW....$3,700.00 dollars! then 2 years later $6,000.00.

Jump 9 years and it jumps to $200,000.00 !!! now that is apperication for you.

I notice the price DR. Hisey paid isnt listed... Probibly a good thing to. Cuz I would be waving this around about now.

If we all would have only known then, what we know now. Oh the possibilities.

[Apteryx]

Re: Miss America history 1958-1969 ?

If we all would have only known then, what we know now. Oh the possibilities.

*THREAD DRIFT, ALERT*
I'll say, (around) 1972, pickled Allison's in a crate $500.00, and
As-is "flyable" Connie's in Trade-A-Plane $2600.00. WHO KNEW!
(Seemed like a lot of money, then).......Paul

[Reno64]

Re: Miss America history 1958-1969 ?

Here is a picture (albeit fuzzy) of N5452V when operated by Dave Allender as #19 at Reno 1967. I don't believe it actually competed that year.

[matt]

Re: Miss America history 1958-1969 ?

i dunno what it is but miss america seems to have always had especially clean lines.

[Victor Archer]

Re: Miss America history 1958-1969 ?

Here is a picture (albeit fuzzy) of N5452V when operated by Dave Allender as #19 at Reno 1967. I don't believe it actually competed that year.

Hey Reno64, Awsome photo, hope you don't mind I made a couple adjustments to it.