T-Birds and Snowbirds to be at Reno '05

[Jan]

Re: T-Birds and Snowbirds to be at Reno '05

Here in Germany we had no jet formation aerobatics since Rammstein
(The Frecce Tricolori crash). Be happy about what we can see in
the US. Performances of T-Birds, B-Angels, Red Arrows and so on just
wouldn´t be allowed here (anymore). I don´t need to see them at
Reno (timing-problem) but anyway - they are impressive to watch.

We have a very professional team (Toni and Walter Eichhorn)
who fly aerobatic displays with two T-6 in formation.

http://www.airventure.de/keller_hilzingen04/06.jpg

They fly in Red-Bull-Colors since many years. At a big Red Bull event http://www.redbull.de/article.action...337-1156628845
they had a display over the (big and wide) river Elbe.
LOTS of Space to stay away from the crowd. But they we´re not
allowed to fly aerobatics...
Maybe it wasn´t possible to clear a part of the river from boats and
there might have been a chance to hit one of them.

I like to see the Snowbirds at Reno. I´ve seen them at Wings over
Stockton and they were great. I like them more than the
F-16/18-Teams, because they do their program in a smaller area.
They don´t disappear for (what sometimes feels like) minutes
between two flyby´s.

Jan

http://www.AirRace.de

P.S.: ... but I would be happy to get a media ride in any of the teams.
(Hey Neal, lucky man !)

[First time Juke]

Re: T-Birds and Snowbirds to be at Reno '05

Hi !

How about the soviets ?

here is the SU-35 in aerobatics:

http://bemil.chosun.com/movie%20link/SU-35.wmv

Pretty cool moves or what ?

In some angles it looks as if it turns around like a braking car around its own axis...is there any other plane capable of that ?

rgds,

Juke

[AirDOGGe]

Re: T-Birds and Snowbirds to be at Reno '05

In some angles it looks as if it turns around like a braking car around its own axis...is there any other plane capable of that ?

I can only think of 2...The SU-35's stablemate, the SU-37 (not sure what the differences between the two are), and perhaps the thrust-vectored X-31....maybe...

I saw the SU-37 on TV not long ago, and I SWEAR the bugger was going backwards at times, and I'm not talking about performing a vertical tail-slide....VERY impressive machine, to say the least.

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I was involved in the airshow business with a BD-5J in the mid 1980s...

That must have been a blast. Bob Bishop's "Silver Bullet" is definitely one of my pleasurable Reno memories, due to his wonderful flying, and his entertaining and humorous self-commentary made during his performance.

When the Blue Angels adpoted their version of the manuever (two planes rolling 270 degrees before pulling into each other) they too changed the manuever to do it from behind the crowd so that any mistake would result in the wreckage going away from the crowd.

I remember that. When they first got the F-18s, the 2 planes performing that toward-the-crowd maneuver would pass VERY low over the company I worked at, which was next to Lockheed Missiles and Space (both are on the opposite side of the Moffett runways from the crowd). They no longer performed it in the early 90's.

There is no prohibition against flying over the crowd as long as the planes are not engaged in "aerobatic" flight, which generally means less than 60 degrees of bank and 30 degrees of pitch.

Ahhhh.....Thank yew for clearing that up.