griffon fury

[matt]

a little while back there was talk about the fitting of a griffon onto a sea fury, well, in browsing through victor's website i found what i believe to be that very airplane, it could also be a napier sabre powered version i wasn't aware of............in fact it probably is, because if i remember correctly the griffon version had contra props. still, very cool and a VERY clean looking plane

http://www.pbase.com/marauder61/image/55757158

[Eric]

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Victor talked a bit about it in the Historic Aviation Photography Section along with the photo's.

http://www.aafo.com/hangartalk/showthread.php?t=2812

[440_Magnum]

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a it could also be a napier sabre powered version i wasn't aware of............

Yep- count exhaust stacks. 12 on each side- definitely a Sabre.

Somewhere I once found a recording of a Sabre-powered fighter starting up and idling- sounds like no other aircraft engine you've ever heard.

[MustangFan]

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Yep- count exhaust stacks. 12 on each side- definitely a Sabre.

Somewhere I once found a recording of a Sabre-powered fighter starting up and idling- sounds like no other aircraft engine you've ever heard.

Did it sound anything like this?:

http://tempest.nerdnet.nl/tempest.wav

[440_Magnum]

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Did it sound anything like this?:

http://tempest.nerdnet.nl/tempest.wav

Since I'm pretty sure that's the exact recording I'm thinking about, the answer would be "yes." Thanks for finding that, Its safely in my file O interesting sounds now.

Napier sure built engines "outside the box," didn't they? In a way its bad that everything has gotten so uniform these days- everyone's converged on similar designs. Its a completely different application (locomotive and boat), but just as far out there both in sound and in mechanical layout was the Napier Deltic diesel. 18 cylinders, 36 pistons, 3 craankshafts:

http://www.softbass.freeserve.co.uk/Wansford55Depart.mp3

http://www.55s.co.uk/engines.htm

[AAFO_WSagar]

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Saweet... I love you guys... SOMEONE always seems to find an answer for whatever the question.. It's like having the best aviation research group at your fingertips!

Ewe guys rock!

[440_Magnum]

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Saweet... I love you guys... SOMEONE always seems to find an answer for whatever the question.. It's like having the best aviation research group at your fingertips!

Geeks. We're ALL geeks.

[MustangFan]

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Napier sure built engines "outside the box," didn't they? In a way its bad that everything has gotten so uniform these days- everyone's converged on similar designs. Its a completely different application (locomotive and boat), but just as far out there both in sound and in mechanical layout was the Napier Deltic diesel. 18 cylinders, 36 pistons, 3 craankshafts:

http://www.softbass.freeserve.co.uk/Wansford55Depart.mp3

http://www.55s.co.uk/engines.htm[/QUOTE]


And it's a TWO STROKE!! Imagine what that thing would sound like with a short exhaust stack..

Thanks for the links, 440 Mag. Very cool stuff!

[440_Magnum]

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And it's a TWO STROKE!! Imagine what that thing would sound like with a short exhaust stack..

Actually, that recording probably is through a fairly short stack. The phasing of the 3 banks and the turbo makes the exhaust relatively quiet compared to other 2-stroke diesels like a Detroit Diesel or an EMD locomotive.

I've always liked the idea of opposed-piston engines, but the only one still in production is the Fairbanks-Morse 38 series. Over half of the US diesel submarines of WWII used those. Napier raised opposed-piston to a whole new level with the triangular arrangement, that's for sure.

[ignomini]

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Did somebody mention Deltic engines?

http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Tomlinson.htm

And it's all I can do to spread butter evenly on toast.

[matt]

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HOLY FREAKIN' GOD, that engine blows my mind!

[Wild Bill Kelso]

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HOLY FREAKIN' GOD, that engine blows my mind!

Makes you wish the jet came along just a few years later. Just to see where piston engines (for airplanes) would have gone.

[Furias]

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a little while back there was talk about the fitting of a griffon onto a sea fury, well, in browsing through victor's website i found what i believe to be that very airplane, it could also be a napier sabre powered version i wasn't aware of............in fact it probably is, because if i remember correctly the griffon version had contra props. still, very cool and a VERY clean looking plane

http://www.pbase.com/marauder61/image/55757158

Hope I am doing this right people. There definitely was a Griffon engine Fury! The best looking piston engined fighter EVER!!! Fabulous plane!

[T327]

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Hope I am doing this right people. There definitely was a Griffon engine Fury! The best looking piston engined fighter EVER!!! Fabulous plane!

I guess there's no accounting for taste

To me the Griffon Fury is a good example of how an engine installation can ruin an otherwise beautiful aircraft. Sabre Fury... aahhh, now that's an entirely different story. This forum thread has a good photo of each:

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=436525

I found this too, of the Griffon model, the link on its parent page is broken:

http://www.eagle.ca/~harry/images/griffon.jpg

A Sabre powered Fury racer would be quite an experience, sight and sound.

--
Eddie

[Furias]

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Still getting the hang of this stuff people...bear with me please!

There definitely was a Griffon engined Fury....fabulous! Best looking piston engined fighter ever!

The Napier Sabre sure was a hairy beast...but the USA, France, Germany anf Russia all went down the H24 path after it! So much power out of such a compact package!