Most beautiful twin to be scaled down in size !?

[SpinB]

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Yes, that was one of their 'annular radiators'. It was to cut down on frontal area. (huh..whatever..) And yes, it had charges to blow off the back prop, upper and lower stabs(selectable for egress mode) and one of the first ejection seat applications! I built a model of it when I was younger........
I once read an account of a later-mark Spit (or Mossie, I forget...) pilot that bounced one over France, evidently, he surprised the German driver, and, all of a sudden, he 'opened-THE-valve' and shot away! The Spit guy estimated a dash of over 500MPH! He didn't even get a shot off!! We're fortunate Hitler was
quite the num-skull (nyuk-nyuk...) and liked Bombers better! He could definitely make the Darwin Award top 10........

Wasn't the 'Long-nose' 190d really a Ta-152? BTW-somebody needs to build a 190 to race! That would be super whippy bitchin'!

[Propellerhead]

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The plane did indeed have an ejection seat that used compressed air. It also had explosive bolts that would remove the entire tail section and rear prop if all else failed. The funny thing is... the two seat trainer version only had one ejection seat (I believe for the student). The IP would pretty much be screwed.

Not screwed, MINCED!!!

[FlyKidChris]

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Wasn't the 'Long-nose' 190d really a Ta-152?

IIRC, the Ta-152 was a further development of the FW-190 and had even longer wings that the FW-190D (roughly 14 or 15 feet longer than the 190D). Also, the Ta-152 was slightly longer. They do appear very similar in photographs; I don't recall ever seeing a photo of the two types together (for comparision).

[Apteryx]

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THIS would have been interesting.

[First time Juke]

Hanriot H-232.2 profile in 1/7 scale !

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I haven't built the 1/2 version yet, but done some work on the model plans. I have four stroke engines and a new set of radios as well for it.

It is in wartime finnish decals ( after 1944 roundels were used also in a Hanriot). FAF used swastikas before nazis took them into a party enblem.

I am pretty sure this is so far the most scale profile of the subject. At least of the production samples 21, 23 and 24. All together 37 built.

My scale retracts mechanism has'nt reach high applause yet. Possibly I'll have to install a pneumatic system for it.

French Hanriot site once more ( with a pic of an early variant ):

http://www.aviafrance.com/9265.htm

[First time Juke]

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I am pretty close of being ready with the three views.

I figured 70% model could be made with two pilots..no smaller.


BTW: Are you all aware of the expedition to salvage 5 more P-38s from Greenland glacier ?

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[AAFO_WSagar]

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Jukka...

Sort of off topic but I've been meaning to ask you a question. In the current issue of Air Classics, there's an article about the Finland Air Force during WWII... seems your country has a pretty colorful history during that era. According to the article, depending on what year it was, fighting against the Russians, or Germans or a quite convoluted mix of both was the order of the day.

Because of this process, again, according to the article, a grand mix of aircraft from several different countries were used. This included: German, Russian, Italian, English, Swedish and more!

What became of these airplanes? Seems your country should have a very rich pool of historic AC if many were saved..

Were many saved?

Are there any good museums in your country?

Wayne

[First time Juke]

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Wayne,

First accept my deepest condolences for your loss.

During the holiday I went to see the Keski-Suomen Ilmailumuseo ( Center-Finland Aviationmuseum ) in Tikkakoski airport near Jyväskylä. I found 19 unpublished fotos of the subject. There is a large variety of AC in that museum. Fokker D XXI, Airacobra, Pyörremyrsky, Me 109 G-6, DC-3, Gordon Leseurre G-22, Thulin D, IVL 25, Martinsyde Buzzard, Dh Vampire ( two seater ), Humu ( Brewster copy ) etc.

They have items for sale like caps and t-shirts + all copies of the Suomen Ilmailuhistoriallinen Lehti ( Aviation Historical Magazine of Finland ). They have all finest details of finnish aviation history in wraps.

Also the family of Karhumäki history is detailed displayed with large diorams and models..they designed 5 planes of the own ( if not more ) and founded Kar-Air which operated with Convair Metropolitans for several years.

Suomen Ilmailumuseo in Helsinki/Vantaa airport has some other planes..I-16, Fieseler Storch among others. All these are worth visiting.

I found several dioramas very interesting. Also engines are displayed plenty Jumo, Merlin etc.

They also have a flying Gloster Gauntlet; sole surviver in the world. Last Me 109 G-6 engine run was performed in 1978 IRC.




Best regards,

Juke

[First time Juke]

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They are working on a Breguet 14 A2 and Fiat A12bis: http://www.k-silmailumuseo.fi/?actio...&RYHMA=3&ID=10 in Center Finland Aviation Museum.

Here is a list of all AF planes ( and status ) since 1917 ( independence ); http://www.k-silmailumuseo.fi/?actio...to&RYHMA=7&ID=

History indeed is very colourful..like the US history !

[First time Juke]

This beautiful twin was in K-SI_Museum as well !!?

Here..a Mossie in Finnish museum..and lotsa other R/C planes as well.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/topspeed2/mosse.jpg

[First time Juke]

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According to the article, depending on what year it was, fighting against the Russians, or Germans or a quite convoluted mix of both was the order of the day.

Because of this process, again, according to the article, a grand mix of aircraft from several different countries were used. This included: German, Russian, Italian, English, Swedish and more!

Wayne,

Never forget that Germans and Soviets made a secret pact before WW II where Finland was regarded as USSRs sphere and Poland Germans sphere of influence. Due to this Soviets tried to take over Finland as Germany was annexing Poland. According to this during Winter War ( 105 days lasted WAR in 1939-1940 ) germans did not let Italian sold Fiat G-50s be shipped to Finland from Sassnitz. They had to be hauled via Atlantic route. Finns got lotsa help elsewhere, but not from Germany nor USSR naturally. ( Brewsters, Fiats, Caudrons, Blenheims, Hurricanes, Gloster Gladiators etc )

USSR also did an ethnic clensing in the Ingria and Karelia ( close to border in soviet side ) where 100 000s finn related tribes used to live for hundreds of years ( this is disputed by the USSR/Russia ). This took place 1928-1956.

1941-1944 finns tried to take over lost areas of Winter War with help of Germany. After a 1,5 month struggle at the Karelian front in 1944 where soviets threw 33 divisions and 1500 AC:s finns tought they have had it and made truce with USSR. Conditions were harsh, but acceptable. According to this finns had to push german troops outa Finland; which they did ( at high cost, since germans burned down Lapland ). During the "waffenbruder" time finns did get substancial help from Germany ( Me 109 Gs, Ju 88s, Do-17s + misc. others ). Germans also let finns buy planes from their war booty reserves ( P-36s and Hanriot 232.2s were acquired this way for instance ).

After the war when Finland was paying 75% of the national income as war payments to USSR USA under cover more or less donated 10 DC-3s to Finland from their war depo in Europe. Also other goods...but USSR allowed no Marschall help to Finland.

1948 finns got first jets Vampires and later Folland Gnats from England. Later also some soviet planes ( Mig-15, Mig-21 and Il-28 ) as well as swedish and french jets ( Drakens and Fouga Magisters ).

I think finns were not sold the Hawker Siddley Harriers due to situation in the cold war period...too high tech too close to USSR ( I assume ).

Did this clear any details that might have bothered you Wayne ?


rgds,

Juke

[First time Juke]

still OT !

One detail; Vampires didn't come earlier than 1952 since they weren't even ordered before.
Mig-15s that finns had 4 were all two seaters. My old man waited a week in order to get a change to fly one in Utti AFB, but the weather was miserable during the whole week.
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BTW: Buzz Aldrin has some roots in the area where I was born ( still reading the FIRST MAN book here ).