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  • #31
    Re: Hey Wayne...

    Lonnie,

    Here are some ideas for learning to deal with JPEG Picture Styles. Portrait and Landscape have color tones optimized for skin, or weeds and sky respectively (okay, maybe trees). With limited time to practice, I would suggest starting with the Standard picture style. Go out to the nearest airport, or out on the street and shoot some tests.

    The idea is to first learn what each adjustment does. Set the camera on a tripod if possible, and shoot the same photo over and over. Each time set one adjustment to the extreme. So, shoot one shot with everything at default levels, then shoot one with maximum sharpness, then one with minimum sharpness. Next shoot one shot with maximum saturation, then one with minimum saturation. Move to the next parameter and continue the process, but always have all the other parameters at there default setting.

    By making one extreme change on each shot, you will get a clear visual indication of where each adjustment pushes the image. Once you understand what the parameters do, you can then start applying smaller adjustments to create your personalized style.

    Does the shot taken with default settings look too soft? Too sharp? Under saturated? Over Saturated? Too red? Too blue? The goal is to gently modify a picture style to suit your personal preferences. Don't use the camera's lcd screen to view your tests. Use the same computer screen you would normally use to view AAFO. If the contrast in all your shots looks too low compared to other work you like, increase the contrast in your picture style. Always ere on the side of under adjustment. You can push the image farther in post processing, but once you blow out highlights or block up shadows in camera JPEGs, nothing can bring them back.

    If you want to go the RAW route, forget everything I just said. Go to the show, blaze away, then learn how to post process at your leisure. Aside from file sizes and maybe time, RAW format has its advantages.
    No pixels were harmed, honest.

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    • #32
      Re: Hey Wayne...

      Also remember it's not the RAW file size that is huge. A RAW shot and a large jpeg are exactly the same size file. It's when you convert that RAW file to a 16-bit TIFF for CS3 that you get 40-60MB files per image.

      Once I process that TIFF though I delete it. It only takes me about 30 secs to convert a RAW to TIFF, all the processing time is spent in CS3 working on the TIFF. So my backups on my external hard drives would be the same if I shot jpeg or RAW. If you save all those huge TIFF files like many do, then you are talking about huge amounts of storage.

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      • #33
        Re: Hey Wayne...

        Originally posted by T. Adams
        Also remember it's not the RAW file size that is huge. A RAW shot and a large jpeg are exactly the same size file. It's when you convert that RAW file to a 16-bit TIFF for CS3 that you get 40-60MB files per image.

        Once I process that TIFF though I delete it. It only takes me about 30 secs to convert a RAW to TIFF, all the processing time is spent in CS3 working on the TIFF. So my backups on my external hard drives would be the same if I shot jpeg or RAW. If you save all those huge TIFF files like many do, then you are talking about huge amounts of storage.
        Well my 4GB card will hold like 450+ RAW images and 1100+ Jpegs, I think Raw is bigger.

        Jarrod

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        • #34
          Re: Hey Wayne...

          My goof, just looking at the mkIIN manual and the large jpeg is approx. 3.2MB, and the RAW is 7.9MB.

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          • #35
            Re: Hey Wayne...

            Thanks for all the good info on camera set-up. Amen to not learning a new camera during race week. I'm another amateur who doesn't shoot enough to rapidly move up the learning curve. The first big help I got was from the Canon factory rep. who does training thru my local camera store. Gave more detail to what the manual says and answered questions after the seminar. I'd recommend it for any new DSLR users to accelerate up the curve.
            The recently posted details are a great way for me to try what is working for someone else.
            Has anyone had success using the multi-frame mode and bracketing -1, 0, and +1 for maximum results?

            Dave

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            • #36
              Re: Hey Wayne...

              Originally posted by T. Adams
              Also remember it's not the RAW file size that is huge. A RAW shot and a large jpeg are exactly the same size file. It's when you convert that RAW file to a 16-bit TIFF for CS3 that you get 40-60MB files per image.
              [bullshyte flag][/bullshyte flag] BIG [/big]

              Tim, check your math on this one.. you're very wrong.

              A raw file, albeit a Canon or Nikon or whatever is storing a HUGE amount of data, "raw" data... it actually is NOT an image, as such in that state... it's pure data...

              Anyway... I'm not sure where you got that idea and don't get me wrong I TOTALLY RESPECT your talent... this one is just wrong...

              Wayne Sagar
              "Pusher of Electrons"

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              • #37
                Re: Hey Wayne...

                Originally posted by T. Adams
                My goof, just looking at the mkIIN manual and the large jpeg is approx. 3.2MB, and the RAW is 7.9MB.
                {skulks away sheepishly after dogpiling on Tim's thread after he pulled the penalty flag...}

                Wayne Sagar
                "Pusher of Electrons"

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                • #38
                  Re: Hey Wayne...

                  This thread has been fun and useful...

                  Getting back to actual pictures for a moment -- here's proof again that I actually sometimes do Unlimiteds.





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                  • #39
                    Re: Hey Wayne...

                    We love the unlimiteds.....more please
                    "dont believe ANYTHING you hear and about HALF of what you see"...................J. Mott 1994

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                    • #40
                      Re: Hey Wayne...

                      More Unlimiteds??

                      Now that's a surprise! Actually I figure everybody posts Unlimited shots. I really like to showcase the other classes that tend to get less attention.



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                      • #41
                        Re: Hey Wayne...

                        Not a great shot technically, but here's John setting up to make his pass:

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                        • #42
                          Re: Hey Wayne...

                          Originally posted by wingman
                          Not a great shot technically, but here's John setting up to make his pass:
                          Neal, technically, it's a GREAT shot because it captures a great moment in the sport..

                          NOBODY can do anything about heat waves, which is what got you in this shot.

                          Pray that we all don't get so gun shy of bad long shots due to the dreaded desert waves that we simply don't try to take them anymore.. (I can count myself not taking many shots I know will be "ruined" by them)

                          REALLY neat shot....

                          That was one of the best races I can remember, I'm grateful that some of us kept our wits about us and managed to get good shots of it. Personally, I lost it.. I might be able to drag one or two marginally decent shots out of that race. I was so excited, I stepped out of being a photographer and lived the moment..

                          Not technically a good thing to do....

                          Your shot is quite good, no matter what light you shine on it!

                          Wayne Sagar
                          "Pusher of Electrons"

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                          • #43
                            Question for the mob...

                            Neal's great setup for pass shot prompted me to dig back through my shots from '08. We were at opposite ends of the course (Neal at P-2 me at P-8) so our vantage points were quite different. Maybe I did shoot some of the "impossible" they are too far away shots"... OK.. I'll post one. It's LAP 1 from P-8, as John and Mike are passing P-7

                            Which lap do you remember Penny passing Brown??

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                            Wayne Sagar
                            "Pusher of Electrons"

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                            • #44
                              Re: Hey Wayne...

                              PS, Neal.. we still need to have a little talk on how to brand your shots.. it's way easier than you think, especially if you have PS..

                              I'll call you over the next few days... I'll be tied up Sunday till evening but if not too late (I'll see if you're on line) I'll shoot you a call via the Vonage phone..
                              Wayne Sagar
                              "Pusher of Electrons"

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                              • #45
                                Re: Hey Wayne...

                                Both great shot's that tell the story!

                                Wayne, your pic shows my wife and my video camera that was mounted to the fence for Sunday's Gold race. Thanks to.....John??? who was a great host in letting us invade his backyard.

                                If this is Sunday Gold, the Bear wasted no time getting around 232 on lap one just prior to your shot.

                                I love these far away storytellers.

                                Anthony
                                "dont believe ANYTHING you hear and about HALF of what you see"...................J. Mott 1994

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