BD-10 accidents..a mystery ?

[AirDOGGe]

Re: BD-10 accidents..a mystery ?

That brings up an interesting question, Trey.....are there any BD-10s actively flying today and how many complete airplanes (ready to fly) are there out there?

Gary

According to WIKI:

N2BD: original prototype, owned by Fuel Fresh in Nevada, tail number reassigned to a Dassault Falcon 900, unflyable
N9WZ: Peregrine's kit, crashed
N62PJ: Peregrine's kit, crashed
N700JP: Jim Priebe's kit, sold to Monitor Jet, now privately owned in Canada, unflyable
N7FF: Frank Everett's kit, crashed

I don't know of any other existing airframes, but the BEDECORP folks haven't given up on it:

LINK:

http://www.bedecorp.com/designs/bd10.htm

BD-10
This kit is no longer in production but did prove to be an outstanding aircraft. The original BD-10 incorporated a GE J-85 engine. The civilian version of the CJ610, that was used in the early Lear Jets, proved to be very reliable.

The real problem was, however, that these engines are of older technology and the fuel consumption was just too high. We are looking at a revised version of the BD-10 that would permit the use of the more modern, highly efficient fan engines.

I hope they solve the airframe problems first...




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[First time Juke]

Re: BD-10 ..ever to fly again ?

According to WIKI:

I don't know of any other existing airframes, but the BEDECORP folks haven't given up on it:

LINK:

http://www.bedecorp.com/designs/bd10.htm

I hope they solve the airframe problems first...

I think Jim Bede is an outstanding AC designer from BD-1 to latest developements.

Supersonic homebuild was a slightly too big task for the corporation ( really..who can make supersonic jets anyway..Boeing, EADS and Sukhoi ) and undoutably plane is very flyable and so forth, but speeds above 250 kts are too much for the airframe and those issues should be addressed and a proper wingtunnel analysis with specialist supervision undertaken. After that they may get close to Citation X speeds. There are no free meals and certainly no shortcuts to make such a fast AC. Just think of all the fatalities that took place when jets were being developed in the 50ies and 60ies..that territory can only be mastered with the techniques ( wingtunnels,stressanalysis, fluttertests + lotsa testflying etc. ) that were developed for that special speed region.

I would see now a time to revaluate the project and learn from 3 fatalities caused accidents/structural failures..or stop talking about supersonic and just compete with turpoprops.

Nowadays many companies struggle under competition and down side is that very economical planes are difficult to fly as we have seen happening lately...even Bede-10 according to videofootage is nice flyer and forgiving in landing + good climber and tells something about the companys dedication in homebuild AC:s with good flying caracters.

Pioneers in aviation have always paid mistakes with lives and bankrupties even then they have paved the way to a newer better solution for those who come after them..this is called progress. It does not always loo pretty.

If there was a BEDE-10 on the runway ready to take off and Skip on the front seat I would not hesitate to fly a second.

[Lockheed Bob]

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Well said Juke. I could name a few test pilots that have passed away testing aircraft from well known aircraft companies but that didn't stop them . Keep up your ideas. Don't forget they laughed at the Wright brother too.

[MRussell]

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[sarcasm]

Ohhhhh... so the fuel economy was the REAL problem! I'm SO glad BedeCorp was kind enough to clear that up, because I thought the real problem was the aircraft turning itself into confetti and falling out of the sky! Thank you, BedeCorp, for that profound insight!

[/sarcasm]

[tow-3]

Re: BD-10 accidents..a mystery ?

i would never call bede an outstanding ac designer. just look at his history. he comes up with a good looking design, then rushes to production without proper funding, testing, or support. then the whole thing falls apart, a lot of people lose a lot of money, some people get killed and he moves on to the next airplane. Just about every airplane he designed has had engineering problems.

cases in point
BD-1 it took a bunch of grumman's money and engineers to make it a marketable product. even then it has a nasty spin mode.

BD-4 only becomes a successful homebuilt after a bunch of re-design.

BD-5 That could fill a whole book.......

BD-10 as discussed.

there is a reason that great names in aviation (rutan, and holm to name two) have walked or ran away from the man.

just to say it before anyone brings it up, i am not one of the people that lost money in one of his ventures.

I actually loved the looks of the BD-5, it was one of the aircraft that got me involved in homebuilts, but I have done enough research on Bede to know to stay away from anything that he gets involved in.

[First time Juke]

Re: BD-10 accidents..a mystery ?

i would never call bede an outstanding ac designer. just look at his history. he comes up with a good looking design, then rushes to production without proper funding, testing, or support. then the whole thing falls apart, a lot of people lose a lot of money, some people get killed and he moves on to the next airplane. Just about every airplane he designed has had engineering problems.

cases in point
BD-1 it took a bunch of grumman's money and engineers to make it a marketable product. even then it has a nasty spin mode.

BD-4 only becomes a successful homebuilt after a bunch of re-design.

BD-5 That could fill a whole book.......

BD-10 as discussed.

there is a reason that great names in aviation (rutan, and holm to name two) have walked or ran away from the man.

just to say it before anyone brings it up, i am not one of the people that lost money in one of his ventures.

I actually loved the looks of the BD-5, it was one of the aircraft that got me involved in homebuilts, but I have done enough research on Bede to know to stay away from anything that he gets involved in.

I see. I think BD-6 looks the best.

He reminds me of one my architecture professor by appearance. Always smiling and on good mood..one sentence made me think if he is so brilliant after all: " Good architecture has to fullfill the requirements of reasonable unconvinience ! "...I still haven't fully understood what he meant.
Somehow I think it is in contradiction with Ludwig Mies van der Rohe phrase: " God lives in details ! "

http://www.bedecorp.com/designs/bd6/intro.htm

[SkyvanDelta]

Re: BD-10 accidents..a mystery ?

I just posted a painting of a BD-5J that I am selling in the swap meet section if anyone is interested:

http://www.aafo.com/hangartalk/showthread.php?t=6823

[First time Juke]

Re: BD-10 accidents..a mystery ?

Anyone know the weight of Bede-6 ?

[Apteryx]

Re: BD-10 accidents..a mystery ?

Anyone know the weight of Bede-6 ?

Juke,
The prototype, with the 650cc 42hp Hirth, had an empty weight of 355 lbs.

Paul

[First time Juke]

Re: BD-10 accidents..a mystery ?

Juke,
The prototype, with the 650cc 42hp Hirth, had an empty weight of 355 lbs.

Paul

Thanks Paul great info that is missing from the specs.
Do you think a 6 ft 4 in pilot would fit in ?

[First time Juke]

Re: BD-10 accidents..a mystery ?

Bede-6 is 6 mph too fast in landing mode to be categorised as microlite.

Would it be possible to reach that lower ( 65 km/h ) speed by adding 3 feet of fixed leading edge slats to the wings ?

That would increase the wingarea and thus help to reach that goal instead of making a bigger wing !

[Apteryx]

Re: BD-10 accidents..a mystery ?

Thanks Paul great info that is missing from the specs.
Do you think a 6 ft 4 in pilot would fit in ?

According to the Bede website HERE, yes.

[First time Juke]

Re: BD-10 accidents..a mystery ?

According to the Bede website HERE, yes.

Quite right...jolly good.

The microlight speed I mentioned is valid in Finland..with 300 kg top weight.

[First time Juke]

Re: BD-10 accidents..a mystery ?

I wonder if Bede-6 is the smallest highwing monoplane AC ever existed ?

[thur777]

Re: BD-10 accidents..a mystery ?

are any of those kits for sale I would like to buy one but can't seem to find one