poor radio ed

[f1-69]

Re: poor radio ed

This takes the prize for the most ridiculous thread of the year.

"and"read a differnt one then."and" aaaahhhhhhhhhhhh then take a good look at where aviation is heading "and" aaaahhhh, look at the older more exp guys flying they dont do this crap.lots of corprate /airline pilots and ive been both sssssoooooooooooo aaaahhhhhhhhhh over i think

[SCEPTER]

Re: poor radio ed

This is why I no longer use the radio.........when flying to un-controlled fields.

[wyhdah]

Re: poor radio ed

I hate to point fingers but that is an instuctor failure. None of the instructors I know or have flown with would put up with long TX. I hear students often, that I am pretty sure have an instructor right seat, making those type of calls.

It doesn't bother me so much on Center as it does on the common freqs. like 122.8. It really sucks trying to get a call in with traffic sighted and someone making calls at another airport is getting long winded.

I am pretty sure the REG reads short and consise reports.

Oops I meant "concise"

[wyhdah]

Re: poor radio ed

This is why I no longer use the radio.........when flying to un-controlled fields.

AHHHH!

Just land on the inactive runway and you don't have to worry about traffic as well.

[split-s]

Re: poor radio ed

Originally Posted by SCEPTER
This is why I no longer use the radio.........when flying to un-controlled fields.

AHHHH!

Just land on the inactive runway and you don't have to worry about traffic as well.

"No, 'X' doesn't mean 'Land on this runway'!"

Of course it's a silly thread; that's why it's so popular.

$

[f1-69]

Re: poor radio ed

no more common sense,this is why the far/aim is a foot thick now. tell people exactly what to do and they still figure out a way to f it up. make jokes all you want but we have a problem houston.

[Ken Dwelle]

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Randy-

This thread is riddled with land mines but I will chime in on the No Jo/Tally Ho discussion. When I first left the Air Force I used these terms quite often on the radio because they were "normal" for me but 10 years later I never use them because most folks listening don't know what they mean. Those terms are not in the FAA Pilot/Controller glossary and not widely used outside the tactical air forces. I believe it's import to communicate in a language likely to be understood by those you are communicating with. 3-1 comm is appropriate on UHF in the MOA or AOR but on VHF in the pattern or on center frequency it's a foreign language, know your audience.

I fly mostly out of an uncontrolled field and I do like consise yet descriptive radio calls which allow me to build a mental picture of the traffic. Starting 5 or 10 miles out is just fine, just be consise about it.

My pet peeves? Wide patterns, using the radio to chat about non-essential things and "I've got him on the fish finder!"

Ken

[Randy Haskin]

Re: poor radio ed

This thread is riddled with land mines but I will chime in on the No Jo/Tally Ho discussion. When I first left the Air Force I used these terms quite often on the radio because they were "normal" for me but 10 years later I never use them because most folks listening don't know what they mean. Those terms are not in the FAA Pilot/Controller glossary and not widely used outside the tactical air forces. I believe it's import to communicate in a language likely to be understood by those you are communicating with. 3-1 comm is appropriate on UHF in the MOA or AOR but on VHF in the pattern or on center frequency it's a foreign language, know your audience.

Thanks, Wiz -- good perspective.

[split-s]

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no more common sense,this is why the far/aim is a foot thick now. tell people exactly what to do and they still figure out a way to f it up. make jokes all you want but we have a problem houston.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."

"Just when you think you've idiot-proofed something, along comes a bigger idiot."

$

[Dialtapper]

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It 'tis a silly thread riddled with land mines, but it's a slow time of the year for Air Racing.

With that in mind I have a peeve maybe you military types cam help me out with. Why is at every military base they ask you to "Report gear down" Call the gear" etc? Can you imagine if they made everyone at O'Hare or Hong Kong do that?

Or how bout "Caution wet runway, cleared to land" You just asked me if I had the ATIS, I got a wet airplane, I think I can noodle that one through. I guess they know there audience.

I'll go back to lurking.

[supercub]

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If memory serves me correctly, ATC in Canada when clearing an aircraft to land, says" "check gear down", maybe they still do it.

I always like the one where ATC says........"cleared to land, at pilots own risk". Ever heard that one? AS PIC, I always thought I was the one responsible. Oh well.

[Randy Haskin]

Re: poor radio ed

Why is at every military base they ask you to "Report gear down" Call the gear" etc?

They ask that because, at least in the USAF, regulation requires them to say it. The Navy has some similar verbiage about "accomplish pre-landing checks" because they fly the pattern with the gear down.

Why do the regs require it? Because someone thought it was a good idea to help prevent gear-up landings, especially with the high volume of single-seat high-performance airplanes that land at military fields.

[ezetom]

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"ATC in Canada when clearing an aircraft to land, says" "check gear down", maybe they still do it."

They used to, but not anymore,, ATC here wont say beans to you even if you are about to land with the gear up.. all stems back to useless lawyers and liability BS

[SCEPTER]

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Atwater traffic,Cessna India Golf Niner 5 mile 45 for right traffic rwy 3-1 Atwater

Atwater traffic Cessna India Golf Niner downwind for 3-1 Atwater

Atwater traffic India Golf Niner short final 3-1 Atwater

Atwater traffic India golf niner clear of 3-1 Atwater

[team zipper]

Re: poor radio ed

Randy the "fighter pilot":
My comments about big traffic patterns were certainly aimed at general aviation, not your super uber-jet.
As long as you are claiming numbers for your pattern speeds, my SR-71 had even larger values, but I will still make the runway from anywhere in the pattern in my race plane.
cheers and check six......Zip