poor radio ed

[f1-69]

Re: poor radio ed

there is a big difference here zip you have deadsticked an sr-71,

[split-s]

Re: poor radio ed

there is a big difference here zip you have deadsticked an sr-71,

NO!!

That bird has to have the glide-angle of a Sherman tank!!

$

[wyhdah]

Re: poor radio ed

Atwater traffic,Cessna India Golf Niner 5 mile 45 for right traffic rwy 3-1 Atwater

Atwater traffic Cessna India Golf Niner downwind for 3-1 Atwater

Atwater traffic India Golf Niner short final 3-1 Atwater

Atwater traffic India golf niner clear of 3-1 Atwater

Full Stop? Touch and Go?

[f1-69]

Re: poor radio ed

slit-s ill take your money if that was a bet. i believe zip is the only one in history to do it.

[SCEPTER]

Re: poor radio ed

Full Stop? Touch and Go?

"the option"

[split-s]

Re: poor radio ed

split-s ill take your money if that was a bet. i believe zip is the only one in history to do it.

That's a story worth hearing!

It wasn't a bet, but I'll go a round next September. Stay in touch.

$

[f1-69]

Re: poor radio ed

his name is George Andre he flies #3 in the biplanes just ask him about it. hes a bad ass

[Ryanshort1]

Re: poor radio ed

Guys, the one thing missing in this thread is the compassion for some of the really newbie pilots in high-volume training areas. Like it or not, a lot of guys that (rightly) dislike the poor radio calls forget that they may have been the ones making them a number of years ago. As a new instructor, I can tell you that I am well aware of some of the students' deficiencies, but you have to do your best to work them out of them. Then, you also have the flying farmer/ag types, or the older guys who have some money and learned to fly later in life and are just there for the recreation / fun of it. A lot of them are rather undisciplined on the radio, and probably wouldn't care that much if you tried to correct it.
Now, don't take the impression that I don't care... I fly with an aerial photographer a lot and it is EXTREMELY annoying when you are operating in C or B airspace, trying to move over 5 miles to your next site, and jerks are making verbose, unnecessary radio calls while you are burning your profits up, waiting for permission, or getting vectored around them.
On the "tally ho", etc. thing - I think it may depend some on where you are flying. I hear it somewhat frequently myself and don't get that bothered by it. Of course, there's plenty of military flight training in Texas and I suspect most of the controllers really do understand what's being said by those pilots.
Last thing - if you really want to get frustrated listening to the radio, go somewhere where they are training Chinese, Korean, or some other similar foreign students! Sometimes it's so pathetic it's actually funny...

Aaaah, Steenson Towel, this is Cessenna Novembel three six ate lomeo charree ummm downwind for wun foul furr stop aaahh touch an go

Of course, it's not funny at all being in the cockpit with that type, I found out recently, but you have to make the judgment call on when to help them, and when to let them make mistakes while teaching them to be independent enough to fly safely.

Ryan

[laminar]

Re: poor radio ed

I was bringing Wasabi back to mhv one day, just finished about an hour of test points and my back and legs were letting me know they had enough. Getting near the airport I am hearing these calls for a "Cessenna" in the pattern and I am looking for him, I keep seeing this bonanza that looks way too far out to be in the pattern for mojave, now I should have recognized the voice and therefore known which airplane it was but well anyway it turned out the cessna was actually the bonanza flying a three mile pattern, after I figured it out I could hear that he was saying Bonanza with accent on the wrong syllables and a thick accent I couldn't understand him...anyway looking back it was pretty humorous.

Race 68

[wyhdah]

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Ryan, I don't think anyone on here is talking about students. I think the aviation community does the best job of respecting and encouraging it's rookies. We are talking about pilots who were never taught or just don't think it is necessary to use proper edicts. Those are probably the same guys that are having a conversation on the comm freqs.

I would be curious how many times an instructor gives communication advice/corrections at biannual to a high time pilot. I know my instructors would but they like to bust my chops.

[Ryanshort1]

Re: poor radio ed

True, but that's part of my point. Some of those guys I mentioned are pilots really don't have much experience beyond their checkride and don't seem too motivated to change their ways to conform with proper standards.

Ryan

[jhall@jetav.com]

Re: poor radio ed

Randy the "fighter pilot":
My comments about big traffic patterns were certainly aimed at general aviation, not your super uber-jet.
As long as you are claiming numbers for your pattern speeds, my SR-71 had even larger values, but I will still make the runway from anywhere in the pattern in my race plane.
cheers and check six......Zip

Zip - how high were you when you had to dead stick the Blackbird?

[MRussell]

Re: poor radio ed

Zip - how high were you when you had to dead stick the Blackbird?

Wait, did Habu have any kind of backup hydraulics beyond the J58s' pumps? I thought no. I don't remember about it having a RAT or a hydrozene (?sp) generator. Maybe the backseater was also responsible for a wobblepump

[Leo]

Re: poor radio ed

training Chinese, Korean, or some other similar foreign students! Sometimes it's so pathetic it's actually funny...

Years ago I was flying with my uncle ( a high time airline and ex-B-25 pilot) when they were training pilots for JAL out of Napa. I remember one guy with a slight grasp of english proudly singing out "me likee makee touchee go". We damn near busted the Baron on landing we were laughing so hard.
I know when I was flying my radio discipline and methods were horrible, but then in the sailplanes I only had a handheld and rarely used it unless I was in conflict with the local airbase traffic. They never seemed to mind my fumbling!

[team zipper]

Re: poor radio ed

I don't know where the "blackbird dead stick landing" story came from, but it's not me...besides, if true, I'd have to kill you.....
no cheers today as we remember Gary Austin........
Zip