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[Victor Archer]

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[Victor Archer]

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The Dago Bear art was from a photograph taken at Nellis AFB not at Reno.

[mayday51]

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Sarcasm from me is always warranted, and is usually served up with a side order of rhye, however since it didn't seem to be digestable,...................

BTW since you do not appreciate my sarcasm I will no longer serve it to you.

..........."Don't get saucy with me, Bernaise"


.......some of us do understand and appreciate your doings here

[David E. Wells]

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I am curious as to how much the racers are paid by those copyrighting and profiting from their photographs. Can a couple of the guys selling race pictures (or owners) for print or promotional material comment on this?

Wayne, As far as I know, Team Strega, Inc. is the only team to "License"(TM) reproduction of their property. It seems to be a loose regulation, but a few years ago I was selling prints, I owned, of a painting I did of STREGA, commissioned and printed by Dwight Thorn. I received a portion of these prints as partial payment and was displaying at a booth outside the Pit Gate. It wasn't long before I was visited by a gentleman identifying himself, by card, as an attorney representing Team Strega. He was very polite, I explained and he went away.
Personally, I don't see any advantage in this, as the NCAR doesn't have the notoriety of say, NASCAR, or even GML, for that matter, and any manner in which the NCAR or it's participants can get publicity for this venue helps the bottom line in the long run...D.

[Ken Dwelle]

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I knew what you meant John, sarcasm is my second language. Keep it coming.
Ken

[Ken Dwelle]

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Speaking of copyrights, does someone have a good airborne photo of Critical Mass that they would allow to be used on a Sea Fury historical website. With proper credit given of course.

Thanks
Ken

[AAFO_WSagar]

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Speaking of copyrights, does someone have a good airborne photo of Critical Mass that they would allow to be used on a Sea Fury historical website. With proper credit given of course.

Thanks
Ken

Yes!

I've got several HERE from a session with your Dad over Grass Valley in '02...

I have more and you are free to use any you like!

Say hi to your dad for me!

Wayne

[wyhdah]

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Sarcasm from me is always warranted, and is usually served up with a side order of rhye, however since it didn't seem to be digestable, I will explain. There is no instrument in place that gives the rights of the image of a race plane to it's owner, Pilot, Mechanics etc. the Photographs are being taken in the "public domain" and as such are public, I would argue that those that are off the race course in the valley of speed, that have not bought a ticket, that are not bound by that ticket and it's limited license can do what ever they want with the pictures they have taken as they are just pictures taken of an airplane in the air that happens to be racing around a course in Reno.

Perhaps that is a reason Reno fights so hard to shut off that part of the venue? They can't control it.

BTW since you do not appreciate my sarcasm I will no longer serve it to you.

John had you given this explaination after said sarcasm it would have been much more "digestable" and probably warranted. Thanks for the clarification.

If I wanted to know about underwater basket weaving I would go to a forum on the associationforunderwaterbasketweaving.org website but I wanted to know about a subject involving taking pictures of race airplanes so what better forum than this?

It does not surprise me that some think I am bringing the subject up making suggestions to complicate their lives but really I have other reasons.

[wyhdah]

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Wayne, As far as I know, Team Strega, Inc. is the only team to "License"(TM) reproduction of their property. It seems to be a loose regulation, but a few years ago I was selling prints, I owned, of a painting I did of STREGA, commissioned and printed by Dwight Thorn. I received a portion of these prints as partial payment and was displaying at a booth outside the Pit Gate. It wasn't long before I was visited by a gentleman identifying himself, by card, as an attorney representing Team Strega. He was very polite, I explained and he went away.
Personally, I don't see any advantage in this, as the NCAR doesn't have the notoriety of say, NASCAR, or even GML, for that matter, and any manner in which the NCAR or it's participants can get publicity for this venue helps the bottom line in the long run...D.

David, thank you for your response that is the kind of info I am looking for. I understand your position and I agree. My larger question is for something that is strictly promotional like the Breitling watch ads. I own a Breitling and I believe these ads do exactly what they are intended to do. I would hope those teams in the ads got some compensation from the company that is using their image for profit.

Breitling has a pretty "oppulent suite" I think.

I guess this would be a good time to explain why I am interested. Not long back I sent a friend who is an acquaintance of Bob Jepsen to his office to ask him about buying Dago Red. For those that do not know Bob at the time had three Mustangs, one, Diamondback used to be the beloved Stiletto, and two mechanics on staff to work on them. Now I don't mind telling you his response was something like "not no but hell no" but if I am going to propose projects like this to people like Mr. Jepsen then I want to know all the ways we could possibly help pay for an appearance at Reno.

Thank you to all that have answered; you too Slack.

[wyhdah]

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These great pictures that all you guys take ask yourself. Even though the lighting is the same and the compostition is great would they be just as great with a Cessna 150 as a subject? What is the work of art in those pictures? Just a thought don't crucifiy me and none of you C-150 owners jump me either.

[mustang5151]

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These great pictures that all you guys take ask yourself. Even though the lighting is the same and the compostition is great would they be just as great with a Cessna 150 as a subject? What is the work of art in those pictures? Just a thought don't crucifiy me and none of you C-150 owners jump me either.

During training, the CFI used to call them "One-Filthies"!!!

[Ken Dwelle]

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Perfect Wayne, Thank You!
Ken

Yes!

I've got several HERE from a session with your Dad over Grass Valley in '02...

I have more and you are free to use any you like!

Say hi to your dad for me!

Wayne

[wyhdah]

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During training, the CFI used to call them "One-Filthies"!!!

No doubt! One of the ones I trained in had one wing that we could never get rigged right it would break left every time you stalled it. It was really a hoot to hear new trainees talk about their first stall in that plane.

P.S. I hear they were better than the Tramahawk!

[BellCobraIV]

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I guess this would be a good time to explain why I am interested. Not long back I sent a friend who is an acquaintance of Bob Jepsen to his office to ask him about buying Dago Red. For those that do not know Bob at the time had three Mustangs, one, Diamondback used to be the beloved Stiletto, and two mechanics on staff to work on them. Now I don't mind telling you his response was something like "not no but hell no" but if I am going to propose projects like this to people like Mr. Jepsen then I want to know all the ways we could possibly help pay for an appearance at Reno.

I will continue your line of thought, After many years of being involved with the top end of the unlimited class, I had the occasion to talk with someone about this exact scenario with a nameless accountant in regards to a team that they were interested in. I informed them if they were intent on winning Reno, they should understand that it is a "MONEY OUT" situation, it has been since I was 6 years old in 1965 at Reno and historically it still is. There were years when due to sponsorship of the Rare Bear it was less "MONEY OUT", But it was always "MONEY OUT" even in the best years. To go into a meeting and claim otherwise would be, well just a meating in the truest sense of the word.

[wyhdah]

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I will continue your line of thought, After many years of being involved with the top end of the unlimited class, I had the occasion to talk with someone about this exact scenario with a nameless accountant in regards to a team that they were interested in. I informed them if they were intent on winning Reno, they should understand that it is a "MONEY OUT" situation, it has been since I was 6 years old in 1965 at Reno and historically it still is. There were years when due to sponsorship of the Rare Bear it was less "MONEY OUT", But it was always "MONEY OUT" even in the best years. To go into a meeting and claim otherwise would be, well just a meating in the truest sense of the word.

Yeah I would never misrepresent this unfortunate fact of air racing however, with fuel, insurance and other incidentals (not pertaining to the flight of the airplane) skyrocketing it would be nice to figure all angles to cover these cost. I think it might take a little out of the box thinking to put together resources with the devoted. Regrettably I don't think the two exist in one as much as in Lyle's day although there are a few like MB, Sanders, and hopefully Matt J. (good luck Matt) etc.

Oh! And really isn't owning most any Mustang, or warbird for that matter, a "Money Out" situation. That is why I thought a current owner would be an easier sell. My pitch was "you already have a few and the mechanics don't you want to own the fastest Mustang ever?".